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		<title>By: Английский по скайпу &#171; English Instinct</title>
		<link>http://www.myngle.com/blog/2008/05/07/5-questions-about-live-online-language-learning/comment-page-1#comment-1571</link>
		<dc:creator>Английский по скайпу &#171; English Instinct</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lamyaa</title>
		<link>http://www.myngle.com/blog/2008/05/07/5-questions-about-live-online-language-learning/comment-page-1#comment-1468</link>
		<dc:creator>Lamyaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi every body :
It is great to find away  for learning  and communicating  with foreigners who can help you and sometimes get benefit of  you . for along time I dreamed of such relations , God will we'll have good use of  information and benefits of each other</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi every body :<br />
It is great to find away  for learning  and communicating  with foreigners who can help you and sometimes get benefit of  you . for along time I dreamed of such relations , God will we&#8217;ll have good use of  information and benefits of each other</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.myngle.com/blog/2008/05/07/5-questions-about-live-online-language-learning/comment-page-1#comment-471</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 05:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for responding by the way Egbert. And, I really enjoyed listening to your interview. Congratulations on reaching the 12,000 mark!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for responding by the way Egbert. And, I really enjoyed listening to your interview. Congratulations on reaching the 12,000 mark!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.myngle.com/blog/2008/05/07/5-questions-about-live-online-language-learning/comment-page-1#comment-470</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 05:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I will give you convenience and price. This isn't at issue. But here you seem to be equating quantity (more different kinds of teachers available) with effectiveness. Having a greater number of teachers to choose from does not necessarily produce a better quality of class or result in a more effective class. Quantity and diversity does not by itself produce (cause) effectiveness. It probably only assures that you will have a greater degree of choice. 

Effectiveness, in real world terms, DEMANDS some kind of measurement. Without a measuring device one cannot measure effectiveness. And this measuring device has to go beyond one of popularity. Why? Because popularity while reflecting things like price and convenience does not necessarily reflect on things like learning outcomes. I have seen many popular teachers in my day but based on standards testing I can assure you that popularity alone does not produce learning and in some cases can actually hide a poor but popular teacher from scrutiny.

I am willing to entertain your argument (or any school's argument of effectiveness) if you can produce statistics related to achievement and of course when you are comparing yourself to other schools, their achievement. Absent this, I find any COMPARATIVE claims of effectiveness to be unsupportable and, how can I say this politely, it indicates that marketing is more in charge of communication than those charged with monitoring education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I will give you convenience and price. This isn&#8217;t at issue. But here you seem to be equating quantity (more different kinds of teachers available) with effectiveness. Having a greater number of teachers to choose from does not necessarily produce a better quality of class or result in a more effective class. Quantity and diversity does not by itself produce (cause) effectiveness. It probably only assures that you will have a greater degree of choice. </p>
<p>Effectiveness, in real world terms, DEMANDS some kind of measurement. Without a measuring device one cannot measure effectiveness. And this measuring device has to go beyond one of popularity. Why? Because popularity while reflecting things like price and convenience does not necessarily reflect on things like learning outcomes. I have seen many popular teachers in my day but based on standards testing I can assure you that popularity alone does not produce learning and in some cases can actually hide a poor but popular teacher from scrutiny.</p>
<p>I am willing to entertain your argument (or any school&#8217;s argument of effectiveness) if you can produce statistics related to achievement and of course when you are comparing yourself to other schools, their achievement. Absent this, I find any COMPARATIVE claims of effectiveness to be unsupportable and, how can I say this politely, it indicates that marketing is more in charge of communication than those charged with monitoring education.</p>
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		<title>By: egbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>egbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 15:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Michael! 

Lets get the web dictionary Webster to help us in the definition of "effective": "producing a decided, decisive, or desired effect". So, effective in this case would mean reaching the student's goal in their learning objective. Correct?

Online tutoring can be as convenient or even more convenient then face-to-face, offline education. The price for a lesson can be cheaper, there is no need to commute for the lesson, the variability of programs, quality, and teaching methodologies is huge. With this greater variability and convenience to be found online (at Myngle.com), students are much more likely to find an effective learning program for them.


Egbert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Michael! </p>
<p>Lets get the web dictionary Webster to help us in the definition of &#8220;effective&#8221;: &#8220;producing a decided, decisive, or desired effect&#8221;. So, effective in this case would mean reaching the student&#8217;s goal in their learning objective. Correct?</p>
<p>Online tutoring can be as convenient or even more convenient then face-to-face, offline education. The price for a lesson can be cheaper, there is no need to commute for the lesson, the variability of programs, quality, and teaching methodologies is huge. With this greater variability and convenience to be found online (at Myngle.com), students are much more likely to find an effective learning program for them.</p>
<p>Egbert</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 05:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Egbert,

Eh...er...hmm...

I have been in language teaching for a long time and when I see comments like these: "Live online language instruction is at least as effective as ‘ordinary’ language learning or even better. "

Well, hairs raise on the back of my neck. The only way you could possibly make this kind of statement is by first telling us how you define "effective" and then telling us what "proof" you have. What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Egbert,</p>
<p>Eh&#8230;er&#8230;hmm&#8230;</p>
<p>I have been in language teaching for a long time and when I see comments like these: &#8220;Live online language instruction is at least as effective as ‘ordinary’ language learning or even better. &#8221;</p>
<p>Well, hairs raise on the back of my neck. The only way you could possibly make this kind of statement is by first telling us how you define &#8220;effective&#8221; and then telling us what &#8220;proof&#8221; you have. What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: marina</title>
		<link>http://www.myngle.com/blog/2008/05/07/5-questions-about-live-online-language-learning/comment-page-1#comment-464</link>
		<dc:creator>marina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 12:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Maria,

this is Marina, thank you for the nice words and enthusiasm about Myngle. 
Yes, our dreams are big and we are very happy to get in contact with teachers like you, who share the same passion.

I remember in one of our mails' exchanges some months ago that you were seeing our dreams and vision exactly as we saw it: develop a place where we could connect people that otherwise would have never come in contact, give each of us the possibility to learn from very diverse languages and cultures, beyond geographical borders, and why not... making new friends around the world along the way. Learning to appreciate the differences instead of rejecting them, being more tolerant with each others... If the world becomes small, we are all closer neighbours...

As you probably already noticed, we are now like a small baby learning its first steps. Still a lot to learn and improve. It is not perfect yet. But we know we will be strong and able to run one day soon. We just have to be patient to learn each step at a time.

I warmly welcome teachers like you on Myngle, they bring the right spirit to our small but growing community. In fact Myngle is all of you teachers and students who will help us building it.

Marina</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Maria,</p>
<p>this is Marina, thank you for the nice words and enthusiasm about Myngle.<br />
Yes, our dreams are big and we are very happy to get in contact with teachers like you, who share the same passion.</p>
<p>I remember in one of our mails&#8217; exchanges some months ago that you were seeing our dreams and vision exactly as we saw it: develop a place where we could connect people that otherwise would have never come in contact, give each of us the possibility to learn from very diverse languages and cultures, beyond geographical borders, and why not&#8230; making new friends around the world along the way. Learning to appreciate the differences instead of rejecting them, being more tolerant with each others&#8230; If the world becomes small, we are all closer neighbours&#8230;</p>
<p>As you probably already noticed, we are now like a small baby learning its first steps. Still a lot to learn and improve. It is not perfect yet. But we know we will be strong and able to run one day soon. We just have to be patient to learn each step at a time.</p>
<p>I warmly welcome teachers like you on Myngle, they bring the right spirit to our small but growing community. In fact Myngle is all of you teachers and students who will help us building it.</p>
<p>Marina</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Balangue</title>
		<link>http://www.myngle.com/blog/2008/05/07/5-questions-about-live-online-language-learning/comment-page-1#comment-463</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Balangue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 05:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello there,
 I am Teacher Maria but my user name in Myngle is Klara. A  couple of months ago, no less than the founder of Myngle, Ms Marina, contacted me and asked me if if could join Myngle team, an online language teaching. Being a classroom teacher for many years, I was a bit hesitant and apprehensive of the results of it. But when Ms. Marina explained to me how the system flows and goes and when I saw it's vision-mission, I was convinced and I joined Myngle. I read all about Myngle's online teaching, viewed its demo lessons and everything that I wanted. I was immensely inspired, so I started creating my own lessons in Filipino/Tagalog, hoping that by online teaching, I could teach and spread my beautiful language. There might be questions about its effectiveness as compared to classroom teaching. But I, having been in a classroom for so long and had an online learning, see both as effective as the other. The activities normally done in an ordinary classroom can also be employed in the online
teaching as planned. I go for online teaching. Its convenience, aside from the rapport and fun of contacting people from all over the world, is a great experience. I SALUTE MYNGLE FOR THE JOB WELL DONE. I am inviting those who are interested in learning Filipino/Tagalog and English to contact me in Myngle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello there,<br />
 I am Teacher Maria but my user name in Myngle is Klara. A  couple of months ago, no less than the founder of Myngle, Ms Marina, contacted me and asked me if if could join Myngle team, an online language teaching. Being a classroom teacher for many years, I was a bit hesitant and apprehensive of the results of it. But when Ms. Marina explained to me how the system flows and goes and when I saw it&#8217;s vision-mission, I was convinced and I joined Myngle. I read all about Myngle&#8217;s online teaching, viewed its demo lessons and everything that I wanted. I was immensely inspired, so I started creating my own lessons in Filipino/Tagalog, hoping that by online teaching, I could teach and spread my beautiful language. There might be questions about its effectiveness as compared to classroom teaching. But I, having been in a classroom for so long and had an online learning, see both as effective as the other. The activities normally done in an ordinary classroom can also be employed in the online<br />
teaching as planned. I go for online teaching. Its convenience, aside from the rapport and fun of contacting people from all over the world, is a great experience. I SALUTE MYNGLE FOR THE JOB WELL DONE. I am inviting those who are interested in learning Filipino/Tagalog and English to contact me in Myngle</p>
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